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« on: January 29, 2010, 12:56:42 PM »

The other day I happened to be looking over the pile of hand calls I've accumulated over the years, both open and closed reed calls and was reminded of a conversation I had recently regarding the use of these calls.  Many callers who have experienced difficulty with open reed calls have relied more on the closed reed type.  The open reed call is somewhat more difficult to master but, at the same time, is more versatile as to sounds it can produce.  The difficulty with the open reed call seems to center around the callers ability to consistently imitate distress sounds and coyote vocalizations.  I had learned sometime ago a little trick that helped me with the use of open reed calls and it was simply to place a rubber band over the reed in the position the lip would compress  that would give me the sound I wanted.  In doing this all I have to do is place my lip over the rubber band when blowing the call thereby creating the consistent sound I wanted which eliminated my slip-ups.  I thought I would pass that on to anyone finding the open reed call a challenge to master.
Although I use both hand calls and an e-caller, I am finding myself using my e-caller with its 24 bit technology more and more these days.  There are two reasons for this.  First, I don't have the wind power I had in my younger days for long series on stands and the second reason is due to the type of open terrain I more often hunt.  You would be surprised how far away from the sound that a coyote's eyes can focus with the slightest of movement from you being noticed and busting you.  Using a hand call a coyote's attention is directly focused on the source of the sound...you. But an e-caller can be placed 40 or 50 yds and upwind from you with a decoy which draws the attention of an incoming coyote away from your position allowing you time to adjust for your shot without being noticed.  I have had a coyote come out of a field of CRP grass less than a 100 ft from behind and to the side of me and never see me as they are focused on the sound of my e-caller and the motion of the decoy.  That would never have happened if I were using a hand call in that circumstance. In addition, that set up helps draw the coyotes path of travel to the call directly into my ambush. There is a place in the world of predator calling for all types of calls in different calling situations.  There are times when it is not wise to walk out from your position of concealment to place an e-caller and decoy because of the chance of being busted by sky-lining yourself. I suggest utilizing all the different calls and techniques and determine which works best for you in the areas you hunt.  With practice and improving one's skills your success ratio will also improve.  When I'm out coyote hunting I not only have come to expect the unexpected, which is usually the case, but I  believe I will be successful if I do not overlook the lessons I've learned from previous unsuccessful hunts and employ and hone the techniques which have proved successful in the past.  As I've often said, I always stay in the learning mode....the more I'm out there doing it, the more there is to learn about this great sport of predator hunting.
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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2010, 01:30:56 PM »

Very interesting Scot....Thanks....
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2010, 01:41:44 PM »

 A while back Scot and I were out in a great stand, and we were all ready to go. He hit the PLAY button on his e caller and....nothing happened. I had a closed reed call in my pocket and it was a good thing....lesson is, never hurts to have a back up plan.

I think the average caller who dedicates himself to learn how to call with an open reed could get the hang of it. I actually prefer and reccomend them, but the closed reed have advantages, too.

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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2010, 08:11:37 PM »

  I had learned sometime ago a little trick that helped me with the use of open reed calls and it was simply to place a rubber band over the reed in the position the lip would compress  that would give me the sound I wanted.  In doing this all I have to do is place my lip over the rubber band when blowing the call thereby creating the consistent sound I wanted which eliminated my slip-ups. 


Although I use both hand calls and an e-caller, I am finding myself using my e-caller with its 24 bit technology more and more these days. 

Castrating bands work great on open reed calls. Just roll one over the reed and your ready to go. They have many uses, like making up shooting sticks.  They are easy to install, especially if you have the pliers for instalation. The last ones I bought were $1.99 for 100, so they won't break the bank.

I like my e-calls and have been using them for years! (MOF I wore out a couple of the old Johnny Stewart 512's) They are especially handy when hunting alone, because it gives me more time to glass the area. For years I used my mouth calls early and once I hit 4 or 5 stands I would go with the E-. More relaxed type of hunting and like you I just got tuckered out blowing lots of air thru my calls. IMI (in my imagination) goofy the E-call will be more effective later in the day than a mouth call will.

Talking about using lots of air calling..................I fill the air chamber of my open reed calls with epoxy. Then add a big match stick, after its dry I remove the match stick and I have a better air canal. If its too small I take a file and make the groove a bit bigger. This will use alot less air..........but it also makes the call a bit higher pitched and not quite as loud.
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2010, 08:13:10 PM »

BTW I just got a 416 foxpro off the internet yesterday. Can't wait to give it a go! big grin
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2010, 05:44:58 AM »

I bet you are going to love it. Scot has a Foxpro and it has been impressive...
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2010, 08:35:57 AM »

I bet you are going to love it. Scot has a Foxpro and it has been impressive...
I bet I will! big grin

I have the very first model foxpro that came out many years ago. I still works great but the original sounds suck!!!! cry  They do work but they don't sound natural at all! I was always going to send it back and get new sounds for it but this unit that I just bought was about the same price as having my old one updated. PLUS I get 8 more sounds, and this one was way under what foxpro wanted for a refurbished 416. WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT over the old sounds with this unit. IMO The reason I did so well with the Johnny Stewart was the sounds were so good. The new sounds sound like JS tapes to me.

I still like simple things and this unit is simple. I'm not much into the remote stuff........I can't see camo'ing up, being quite, (no slamming doors, no talking, etc) sneaking into an area, THEN walking around putting a call "over there" and a decoy "over here" THEN  walking back to where I want to sit. Talk about disturbing an area and putting down alot of unwanted scent!!!!!
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2010, 01:23:19 PM »

I have gotten into the habit of putting down a cover scent when setting out an e-caller and decoy.  Since doing this, I have not encountered a problem with scent control.  I believe calling in a coyote within 50 yds or less of my set up is testimony to this as TK can verify.  I have no problem with the hunter taking the 150 to 200 yard shot if successful and I have done it many times myself but I still get a thrill of duping a coyote within shotgun range.  The times that I hunted coyotes in Wyoming open country in the past it seemed the 150 to 200 yd shot was the norm.  But my hunting experiences in Kansas with the bounty of CRP grass acreage near most of my hunting sites has afforded me the opportunity to call in coyotes at closer ranges and it is great fun.  My early experiences using Burnham callers were ok, but since using my FoxPro Fury e-caller with 24 bit technology, FoxFade and Sequential option, it has been a night and day comparison in regard to earlier calling technology.  Its like comparing an 8-track to a Bose CD.  It has made a huge difference in my calling success and I, for one, am sold on this technology.  Not long ago I shotgunned a coyote at less than 15 yards from my caller and have called coyotes to within a few feet of my hidden e-caller.  All said and done, the name of the game is putting a yote on the stretcher and I want to use all of the tools at my disposal to get the job done.
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